This session brings together two leaders who are unafraid to question the rulebook when it gets in the way of progress. From social housing to education, Nick and Drew have both led in environments where scrutiny is high and expectations are complex.

Together, they will explore what it really means to do things differently, not for the sake of being provocative, but with thought, intent and purpose. The conversation will focus on how leaders decide when to challenge established norms, how to avoid innovation theatre, and how to stay grounded while making bold choices.

What Nick and Drew will cover

• Why challenging established norms matters, and how to judge when it is the right thing to do
• The difference between meaningful innovation and change that creates noise without impact
• Real-world examples from Nick of disrupting traditional approaches in housing
• Drew’s insights on leading through pressure, scrutiny and organisational change
• The mindset required to stay courageous, focused and grounded in what actually works

What attendees will gain

• A clearer sense of when and how to challenge existing ways of working
• Practical ideas for leading innovation that is meaningful and sustainable
• Honest reflections from leaders who have taken bold decisions and learned along the way
• Greater confidence to bring forward new ideas without falling into the trap of change for its own sake
• Inspiration to lead with purpose, integrity and courage in complex environments

Contributors

Nick Atkin – Chief Executive, Yorkshire Housing

Nick is known for his straight-talking approach and his willingness to challenge long-held sector norms when they no longer serve residents or colleagues. As Chief Executive of Yorkshire Housing, he has been vocal about the need for innovation that delivers real impact rather than activity for its own sake. Nick brings sharp insight, honest reflection and a practical focus on doing things differently in ways that genuinely improve outcomes.

Drew Povey – Leadership Coach and Former Headteacher

Drew brings deep experience of leading through scrutiny, pressure and change, most widely known for his role as headteacher featured in Channel 4’s Educating Greater Manchester. His leadership journey is grounded in resilience, values-led decision-making and navigating setbacks with integrity.

Drew is also the author of When the Clouds Come, in which he reflects candidly on leadership, failure, recovery and staying true to purpose when things feel at their toughest. His perspective adds a powerful, real-world edge to the session.

As part of the session, attendees will also be offered a copy of Drew’s book When the Clouds Come, providing an opportunity to continue reflecting on the themes of resilience, leadership and integrity beyond the conversation itself.

Please not this session will not be recorded.